tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23935428.post114599451709095995..comments2024-01-15T03:32:03.328-07:00Comments on Salsa Night: A substantial, crucial question for allNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16680099072195435304noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23935428.post-1146574273939666782006-05-02T06:51:00.000-06:002006-05-02T06:51:00.000-06:00A few things:1) Jon, tell Katie that that's dirty ...A few things:<BR/><BR/>1) Jon, tell Katie that that's dirty habit.<BR/><BR/>2) Morgan, I apologize for likening Tolkien to Lucas. I was grasping at straws.<BR/><BR/>3) I really liked that article Nick linked to. After reading that I looked up a bunch of other theories about who Bombadil is, and that one seemed to me to be the best thought-out and argued. One article I read concluded that Tom is actually the reader (kind of a la <I>Neverending Story</I> ("Moonchild!!!")). That article made some interesting points, but I'm not buying it. <BR/><BR/>It makes sense for Tom to be the Vala Aule. And I think that this links up with Nick's general feeling. Of all the Vala, Aule is the closest that I can see to being a Christ-figure. Add that to the comment that "He is" and you've got a pretty solid connection there, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23935428.post-1146346494774690892006-04-29T15:34:00.000-06:002006-04-29T15:34:00.000-06:00I'm not really sure why Tom is in the book. To me...I'm not really sure why Tom is in the book. To me he's a fun character that adds a lighter side to the book. But what I really want to say is that I don't think anyone should ever compare the writting of Tolkein with that of George Lucas. That seems just plain wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23935428.post-1146148930626153182006-04-27T08:42:00.000-06:002006-04-27T08:42:00.000-06:00When I read the books, I also thought Tom was a bi...When I read the books, I also thought Tom was a bit strange. Having said that, I think one of the main themes I got out of the story can be summarized as:<BR/><BR/>“The world is bigger we and more complicated than we can ever be comfortable with. However, you must take action and do the right thing even when you don’t completely understand the world. In fact, those actions will help you to understand the world and make it seem less complicated.”<BR/><BR/>You can see this in all four hobbits as they progress from their relative uselessness at the beginning of the story to taking part in world-changing events, to finally becoming leaders and masters of their own fates. This last part will make more sense to those of who have finished the book and made it through the very end. (I make fun of Katie because she read the 1000 or so pages but stopped and didn’t read the last 50 or so. She claims it’s a habit she picked up from literature class.) Specifically I am thinking of the part I like to call “Ending #3” (which I think is my favorite “ending”). Ending #3 unfortunately didn’t make it into the movies except for a brief foreshadowing in the first one. (Jared, you have something new and exciting to look forward to.)<BR/>In fact, this theme is also present in The Hobbit now that I think about it.<BR/>Anyway, my point is that Tom Bombadil definitely has a part in communicating the first part of the above theme. He shows that the big and complicated world can be helpful, (if still mysterious) not just hurtful. In The Hobbit, you might say that a similar role is filled by the giant eagles or Beorn. Elrond and Rivendell would be another example in both stories. <BR/>I suppose I can make a lot of parts of the story fit into such a broad theme, but that’s how I’ve always thought of Tom Bombadil.JonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13692440807087956879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23935428.post-1146004720007334022006-04-25T16:38:00.000-06:002006-04-25T16:38:00.000-06:00I just read an interesting article about it. My ow...I just read an interesting <A HREF="http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html" REL="nofollow">article</A> about it. My own thoughts about it before having read the article are that he represents a completely opposite character to Sauron- both very powerful, yet Tom has absolutely no interest in dominion or excersizing his power "unrighteously". That unrighteous use of power is evident in each of their relationships with the land- Sauron dominates and rapes the land whereas Tom lives in harmony with it, and even symbolically married it (marrying the daughter of the river). They are also at opposite ends of the book- Tom at the beginning ang Sauron primarily at the end, framing the rest of the story like bookends.<BR/><BR/>Having read that article it makes me think about him as a god figure- he marries the earth, he is called "he is" by his wife, definitely a reference to the name of Jehovah, and he has all power over evil. When given the ring, it is not a temptation for him- just as if Satan were to tempt God himself. And Tolkien uses him to teach us about how the real God works- he is not going to go and conquer satan for us, that's our job in our daily lives. He will only help us along our journey, not do it for us. Though sometimes along the way we need him to get us out of messes that we can't get out of ourselves- like the barrow wights and the willow tree.<BR/><BR/>Tolkien also called him an "enigma", which fits with the traditional christian view of God as mysterious and unknowable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com